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Old 12-31-2003 | 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by Justin.b
Hmm... interesting.

Let me refine my statements. Do I think it can match the Porsche's performance with the right amount of tuning? Yes - mostly. A lot of this will be attention to the chassis - and you just won't be able to match the Porsche's braking.

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Yes, the rear weight bias of the Porsche means it has even weight distribution under braking. Less weight on the front means it'll stop faster too and there'd be less brake wear. That, and you can get composite ceramic rotors.

Maybe some Tarox ten-pot calipers on a 240 and some HUGE tires might let you stop pretty quick. You haven't mentioned which attributes of the GT3 you want ot emulate.
Old 01-05-2004 | 08:19 PM
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damn bro, i know im totally off topic but, your nx looks hot
Old 01-06-2004 | 10:58 AM
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i know that i can not beat a gt3 but i would love to give it a run for the money

ok the 0-60 on a gt3 as tested by car and driver was 4.2 sec you tell me there is not a street 240 out there that can beat that?

it cover the 1/4 mile in 12.4 sec i know there are 240's out there that can do better than that

now this is were the problems begin

top speed is 190
skidpad .0.92g
slalom 68.7 mph

you telling me there is no way i can combat this i don't want to go 190 mph but i would like to have everything else.

the point of this 240 is to have balance it can't be to much of a beast to handle in corners maybe i am going to far.

so lets start off another platform mitsbushi evo or bmw m3 you think a tune 240 could take them on? what about a supra?
maybe the gt3 was to high of a goal to emulate so lets start with these cars:

corvette
mustang
audi s4
bmw m3
turbo porsches
700+supras

now you think beating these cars are within reason?
remember this car must have balance.

when i did my nx the goal was to take out motor swap civics and lightly tuned rwd and awd cars but unlike the the 240 the fwd sr20de tranny is weak. i plan to put no more than 300 whp so there has to be another car in my stable to combat the big willie cars. so this 240 must make 400+ horespower becuase anything less my nx could be able to beat it.

remember fwd cars don't lose as much hp as rwd does do to the drivetrain

and as far as body kits go i was looking at this one i could put some fat rubbers under there even more than the s14 does anybody have a idea as to how much it costs. will this kit effect my speed i want to go faster not slower.





just look for the 240 wide body kit
www.jacquemond.com/i-american.htm

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Old 01-06-2004 | 11:11 AM
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Any body kit will have an effect, and its usually negetaive. More weight = Less top speed. And body kits always add more weight, un less its CF. I think you can totally take most, if not all the cars on that lil list you had. Just gatta make sure you tune the car right and have the right suspension.
Old 01-06-2004 | 11:22 AM
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Maybe i do not need to go so wide but i don't see many wide body kits out there for the s13 i would love to put the signal auto 600hp car wide body target kit on but we don't have s15 in the us the front wide fender would fit if i get a conversion but i do not know whatto do with the s13 rear. maybe the jacq. kit is to wide of a body kit . any suggestions or links
Old 01-06-2004 | 01:52 PM
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yashio factory, its for the 180sx though. check importfan.com
Old 01-06-2004 | 06:26 PM
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That body kit is not for performance. In order to fill those wheel wells you would have to run ~12" wide wheels or run ridiculously large spacers.

Tope speed of 190 is probably not too far off. One of the early turbo guys hit 167 in his 240 running the stock gear ratios. The rev limiter in 5th finally stopped him... being able to hit the big top speed and still blast a sub 5 second 0-60 would be a challenge.

Now that your goal is more resonable, sure a 240 can be built to take on all the cars you mention. If you're looking to do it in comfort and have the extra money, I would honestly recommend the Supra. I know a guy putting down 900+hp at the wheels through an auto tranny on the stock bottom end.

I love the 240. The 240 is light and nimble and fun.... it also cost me $20,000 less as a starting point than a used Supra would have. If I could have picked up a decent running Supra TT for the same money, that's where I would have gone.

That is also something to consider. Supras hold their value very well. It will be hard to find a decent cheap starting point.

-Justin
Old 01-07-2004 | 12:11 AM
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Originally posted by Justin.b
That body kit is not for performance. In order to fill those wheel wells you would have to run ~12" wide wheels or run ridiculously large spacers.
That body kit is a photoshop too.

Originally posted by Justin.b
Top speed of 190 is probably not too far off. One of the early turbo guys hit 167 in his 240 running the stock gear ratios. The rev limiter in 5th finally stopped him... being able to hit the big top speed and still blast a sub 5 second 0-60 would be a challenge.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to make that extra 23 miles per hour? Also, how long did it take him to hit 167? A Porsche GT3 will still hit 180ish faster than a turbo KA or SR.

Originally posted by Justin.b
Now that your goal is more resonable, sure a 240 can be built to take on all the cars you mention. If you're looking to do it in comfort and have the extra money, I would honestly recommend the Supra. I know a guy putting down 900+hp at the wheels through an auto tranny on the stock bottom end.
I doubt you know him personally, but close enough.

As for LONEWOLF there...here's my opinion:
240 vs these cars...

corvette:
Stock, yes. Modded or Z06, no.
mustang:
You'll beat V6 mustangs and solid axle Mustangs (in the turns)
audi s4:
The B6 A4s grip like flypaper. They launch like a rocket (quattro awd)
bmw m3:
Depends on what you're trying to match. Roadholding? Possibly. High speed stability? Not likely. Acceleration, is a stretch. They're pretty damn quick.
turbo porsches:
That's like emulating a Porsche GT3 but harder. You'll have to match their straight line acceleration, and if you want to emulate a GT2, you're pretty screwed since it's a GT3 on crack. If you're referring to a 944 Turbo, 930s or 964s, you'll be okay. Off a track or with an inexperienced driver, anyway.
700+supras:
Uhhh...
Old 01-07-2004 | 05:05 AM
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The turbo guy (I think) was Simon Kim on the old Amarok.org mailing list. And it was more of a 'know of' than best buds thing. I'm sure it took him quite a while to get to that speed, and I realize that there is a huge jump in hp required to go faster at those speeds.

I don't think that kit is a photoshop. I've seen a video of them driving one around. I hope you're right though so that I don't have to see that picture again.

The more I think about it, you'd probably be best off with an RB25DET swap if you wan to mess with the big dogs out there, since 400+ hp doesn't come easily or smoothly to the KA or SR.

-Justin
Old 01-07-2004 | 05:09 AM
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Oh, the Supra guy.

I actually do know him kind of personally. He's a moderator over at www.is300.net (mccarlin) where I am a major post *****. His car's on the cover of Turbo magazine this month.

I keep getting in arguments with him because he tries to claim crank hp numbers from a chassis dyno run. That car deserves a better owner.

-Justin
Old 01-07-2004 | 11:35 AM
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if you gave a silvia s14 to the japanese, they'll fix it to where that porsche gt3 will be eating the dust left in the air by the rear wheels of that silvia.
porcshe is just a beetle who has taken too much steroid.

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Old 01-07-2004 | 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Justin.b
Oh, the Supra guy.

I actually do know him kind of personally. He's a moderator over at www.is300.net (mccarlin) where I am a major post *****. His car's on the cover of Turbo magazine this month.

I keep getting in arguments with him because he tries to claim crank hp numbers from a chassis dyno run. That car deserves a better owner.

-Justin
I like Peter Blach because he replied to my PM on Supraforums and he can row his own gears. 900+ on stock bottom at the rear wheels is enough to brag about in itself. No need to go over the top more...on the other hand, some people don't observe modesty and humilty.

Originally posted by Justin.b
Oh, the Supra guy.

I actually do know him kind of personally. He's a moderator over at www.is300.net (mccarlin) where I am a major post *****. His car's on the cover of Turbo magazine this month.

I keep getting in arguments with him because he tries to claim crank hp numbers from a chassis dyno run. That car deserves a better owner.

-Justin
I like Peter Blach because he can row his own gears and he's a nice guy on Supraforums. 900+ on stock bottom at the rear wheels is enough to brag about in itself. No need to try to claim more...on the other hand, some people don't observe modesty and humilty.

Originally posted by lionel
if you gave a silvia s14 to the japanese, they'll fix it to where that porsche gt3 will be eating the dust left in the air by the rear wheels of that silvia.
porcshe is just a beetle who has taken too much steroid.
If you get a Porsche GT3 to the Japanese, they'll whip a modded S14 into submission. Only the Porsche 356 is related to the Beetle, and that "beetle" has had over 50 years of evolving. I bet you've never seen how fast a 2.5L Aircooled turbo bug can go. Don't think anyone in Japan has one of those. In addition, they (the Best Motoring dudes, anyway) respect the GT3 and give it props.
Give them a Skyline or Supra and it'd be different, but I can still tell you where the GT3 would have an advantage on the track. The GT3 is designed, for the most part, as an endurance racer. A GT-R V-Spec II probably won't run the Nurburging as fast as the GT3, nor could it do it for 24 hours. The GT-R V-Spec II would probably keep up or beat a GT3 on a small tight Japanese track, though. The M-Spec NUR on the other hand...

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Old 01-08-2004 | 05:45 AM
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With the rb25det and the rb26det how much horsepower can they handle stock?
Old 01-08-2004 | 04:04 PM
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More than enough for one's own good.

It's RB26DETT by the way. The RB26DET dosen't exist.
Old 01-08-2004 | 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by areitu
More than enough for one's own good.

It's RB26DETT by the way. The RB26DET dosen't exist.
actually it does...but not stock lol.

And to answer your question the RB25 can handle 425-450hp safetly, and the RB26 im sure can hit the 500 mark safetly



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